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Jalo05
(Lani Jaloux America)
54F
1890 posts
7/4/2007 4:42 pm

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10/8/2007 7:04 pm

ANGER


Today's realization:

Instead of giving way to anger, forgiveness is the key.........

Simply J


Russell90028 65M
741 posts
7/4/2007 8:26 pm

I agree, feeling anger inside only eats you up inside, forgiveness is the answer.

Russell


elle7806 45F
598 posts
7/5/2007 1:26 am

Instead of giving way to anger, just ignore and forget it...don't tell me galit ka n naman? Sister keep smiling, like me, i don't have time to get mad, i feel inspired at na challenge ako...and most of the time i am having fun at school with my new classmates who happened to be older than me with a lot of wisdom he he he...

i am like a baby,at the office, and with my newly founds older friends and at the schools, they all treat me like their bunso, nakaktawa no one beleive about my age

Remember, the WRINKLES !!!

You laugh at me bec i am different, i laugh at you because you're all the same


Jalo05
(Lani Jaloux America)
54F

7/5/2007 6:13 am

    Quoting  :

Give me a chance....i'm struggling he he

How are you K?

Simply J


Jalo05
(Lani Jaloux America)
54F

7/5/2007 6:15 am

    Quoting  :

Not only use your time and strength....it also weakens my system and get frustrated only. I'll just suffer worrying about nothing.

Simply J


Jalo05
(Lani Jaloux America)
54F

7/5/2007 6:19 am

    Quoting Russell90028:
    I agree, feeling anger inside only eats you up inside, forgiveness is the answer.

    Russell
And before I throw an angry word, I just sighed and closed my eyes and smile, and say, "It's ok, just clean the mess......"

And the reaction who did a mistake was relieved, and I easily get rid of my anger.

Long time no comment from you Russss, thanks for dropping by

Simply J


Jalo05
(Lani Jaloux America)
54F

7/5/2007 6:25 am

    Quoting elle7806:
    Instead of giving way to anger, just ignore and forget it...don't tell me galit ka n naman? Sister keep smiling, like me, i don't have time to get mad, i feel inspired at na challenge ako...and most of the time i am having fun at school with my new classmates who happened to be older than me with a lot of wisdom he he he...

    i am like a baby,at the office, and with my newly founds older friends and at the schools, they all treat me like their bunso, nakaktawa no one beleive about my age

    Remember, the WRINKLES !!!
No sis, it's not about the FFF thing. It's the evryday situation that I encounter here. Getting angry makes my head ache and my nerves shrivel.

lucky girl, feeling young though lola ka na rin Me feeling young and relaxed, but many stress and unavoidable happenings.

Talking about wrinkles, that's natural, I always smile and laugh so expect wrinkles around the eyes, around the mouth. Actually my mouth had expanded for too much laughing out loud with my new teachers ehhhhhhhhhh. Pogi sila no!

You lose!

Simply J


pqct01
(Joe )
62M
32 posts
7/5/2007 2:39 pm

Quote:
Anger and forgiveness have a most important thing in common: they both imply that another person is RESPONSIBLE either for your anger OR for your decision to forgive. In both cases, the other person is in your eyes GUILTY of something: in your eyes, it is THEM who have offended you, and made you angry or ready to forgive.

==================================================================
...sometimes we should forgive ourselves


Jalo05
(Lani Jaloux America)
54F

7/5/2007 4:35 pm

    Quoting  :

Yes it7s true that we are resposible of our actions.

Let me itemize or tell you the story that happened why I wrote this. There's only A PIECE of cake left inside the fridge to sell. My helper, by mistake or by her carelessness, dropped the cake on the floor. We are in front of the costumers, and I can't scold her because of what she did. I apologized to the costumer that we can't serve the same cake instead give her what's availabe. We know costumers are always right. They just turned away and lost a sale.

REALIZATION:

I was looking at her and she was shaking in fear and almost cry. I remebered how I was when I also did a mistake and my boss didn't give me a chance and scolded me in front of many people. I was so ashamed and admit it's my fault. I thought everything's gonna be over the next day but it went on and on, his anger and never trust me anymore. And the effect, really made my body and health down.

I was very angry since the other night to her and it continued the next day. Her fear of being scolded made her actions more lousy. She can't think of nothing else but what will be her next mistake.

Here, she's unable to concentrate in her work because my anger had gotten to her system. She even forgot the smallest detail because her mind is over occupied with fear. Whatever the effects, I am also responsible. She may just loss conciousness, or got sick because of stress or maybe molding her to become a monster and commit a crime.

It's easy to get angry but it is so hard to forgive. But if we put ourselves in their place seeing that the situation doesn't have to be that serious, forgiveness is the answer. She may concentrate and work happily out of stress. And I will be also be feeling good in her performance.

Isn't it that anger are the causes of crimes, the killing, the hurting even in relationship. Pride or ego fuels the anger to go worse. Guns and position in the society also empowers anger. Hurtful words causes the relationship to fall apart.

She is striving hard to make her work better everyday and a little mistake is forgivable. A little centavo won't hurt my purse. And only 2- 5 loss of costumers can't match my 1000 loyal buyers. Anger for me is an additional baggage in my backpack that always makes me look back and feel the pain and anger.

Simply J


Ignimbrite
(Marco Brenna)
46M
602 posts
7/6/2007 1:06 am

Well... it all depends on the context really... we can't compare the dropping of the cake of Jalo's story, with the biting of the girl in xerocles's story... but in neither cases anger can be excused as a reaction.

Anger too often leads to loss of control, and once you loose that... goodbye... you loose every rights you might have had.

You might ask yourself, "what's the importance of this (the fact that caused anger), let's say, tomorrow?"... in the case of the cake... NOTHING AT ALL! ... another cake will be made, ready for selling, and if the people won't come back because of such a small accident, they don't deserve to taste it.

In the case of the little girl, even by reacting angrily, what are you going to solve? it is not the angry reaction that solves the problem, whether you are angry or not, the little girl's ear won't regrow by itself. Anger leads to hatred, hatred leads to wars...

If there is no anger, then how will justice be served? How will this man be punished for his actions?

I don't believe that the public force which restrained the man was angry at him, or the judge who pronounced the sentece was either. They have to maintain their control for that... otherwise we go back a couple of centuries, and start stonig people to death once again... and I don't believe that the person who denounced the situation was angry at the man either... was probably pitying the mother and daughter...

I believe it is all a question of SELF CONTROL

the flying squirrel strikes back


Jalo05
(Lani Jaloux America)
54F

7/6/2007 6:27 am

Let me site another sample of anger.

An anger of a mother scolding her children or maybe she had a very hurtful way of teaching or giving discipline to her own children. Some children or a child may listen and keep in mind and heart what she is trying to teach. There are come children or child take it seriously and pretend that he understand. But deep inside the child's heart is a growing anger. And as he grew up, he hated her mother and hurt her mother through words, or loss of respect.

If this child, only realize what his mom was trying to teach him, maybe he didn't reacted or felt that way. Now let us presume that he became matured and got married. Now he's a parent, he got angry or scolded his children, his memories returned to the memories as how his mother was angry to him. He cried and realized that his mother's way though hurtful, taught him how to become a good man and a good father. Do you think it's too late to make up with his mom? I'm telling you....NO! It's not too late to patch and mend the hurtful past. He's now paying for it Maybe his ways of teaching his children will be a little softer than his mom's way.

Do we really have to be soft or hard on children? It depends on how you explain and make him understand what you are terying to tell him.

Simply J


Jalo05
(Lani Jaloux America)
54F

7/6/2007 6:35 am

Xerocles, Nan....yeah i'll join you at the back seat of the classroom. Prof. D might get suspicious what we three are doing at the back. He might show his anger to us and we must get ready for flying pens lol

Ignim brother, you totally agree to me and I want you to tell us how you've felt about your anger to your gf before when both of you got stucked in the traffic. And how that anger subsided. What made you calm down? That's a good sample of anger!

Hey wait! I can't hear Nan's comment. Soooo silent We wana hear from you

Simply J


Ignimbrite
(Marco Brenna)
46M
602 posts
7/6/2007 7:52 am

haha... you guys are total fun...

xerocles, don't missinterpret me... I am far from an emotionless zombie! I am a volcano of emotions, but I believe that some emotions are good and some bad... and anger falls under the bad ones! Because with anger one tends to ruin relationships, hurt other people, and spoil good time.

(maybe I am missing the true meaning of "anger" though...)

What made the west react to Hitler's madness was not anger I believe, but fear, that if nobody did anything... ... ... I am not sure that we can take that example as comparison. When there are huge interests in play, all emotions go out of the window... but I wasn't there... so I can't confirm...

And if I am not wrong, it was anger (of Hitler agaist the WWI victorious west) that started the whole thing... so... if he had controlled his (Hitler) emotions in the first place, there would not have been any need for the later intervention, whatever it was due to...

As I was saying, I am far from emotionless, and as Jalo gave away, I too... got angry once, and for a very idiotic reason (btw, thanks Jalo for discrediting me... ), traffic... In retrospective, it was very childish of mine. I lost control... and I eneded up not talking to my gf for a few hours. To reply to your curiosity Jalo, time only just fixed the situation, I probably realized how childish of mine it had been to get upset in the first place. I might even have apologized for that, can't really remember...

But what I want to stress, is that one doesn't need to get angry to solve problem. We see news of death and sufference every day, several times a day, in TV... do you get angry at every one of them xerocles? I don't believe so... so how do you choose which situations deserve your anger and which don't?
I feel helplesness and sadness. Because humans, who are supposed to be the supreme creature, are in fact so childish, selfish and stupid, and I can't do anything against it. No need to get angry and eat my liver for that though... Just let it go as it is... if some day I'll be in the position to do anything to stop that, I will... till then, just accept that the world is what it is...

Am I emotionless?

And I'll join Jalo in the quest for getting a comment off Nan, one great saying I once heard goes like:
"Silence from someone who has usually so much to say, is deafening"


the flying squirrel strikes back


Ignimbrite
(Marco Brenna)
46M
602 posts
7/6/2007 8:08 pm

Just to punctualize (make clear), I was writing that last comment contemporaneously (at the same time) to Nan, so I wasn't aware (didn't know) that she had actually replied (answered)... haha

Now, why the stone's silence makes more noise than thunder... I have to ponder that one for a while... maybe I'll do my PhD on the topic... never know... you might have triggered something big here Nan...

As for the topic of Jalo's post, anger, can't really add much more to what I wrote before, and to what Prof Dav and Nan's comments... I guess we have to wait and see what xerocles has to say from the other side of the Atlantic...

the flying squirrel strikes back


toukki
(Ann )
43F

7/7/2007 12:23 am

I forgive, and i forget.. i forgive, and i forget..

Excellent jalo


Jalo05 replies on 7/17/2007 6:27 am:
Sorry, I just reviewed all of the comments and I skipped on your comment. I hope i'm not late to thank you for giving your views about this.

If you forgive and forget, you will live peacefully without guilt. Which I sometimes fear and makes me feel uncomfortable.

Jalo05
(Lani Jaloux America)
54F

7/8/2007 5:44 am

A very short post but with deeper and lots of meaning. he he

i get angry everyday. I also pretend I get angry to make a person move and think. Everyday anger are controllable as if you already knew what's going to happen if you stop and continue the anger.

That piece of cake is No. 1 here and I have to travel 4 hours to pick it up. For JUST A PIECE OF CAKE, no no it's just no simple cake! It became a SPECIAL CAKE!

The discussion is so great, maybe i'll just sit and listen and wait for my turn

Simply J


Jalo05
(Lani Jaloux America)
54F

7/8/2007 6:21 am

Nan I like your new look. Very coooool

Just looking at your picture cools me down.

Simply J


pqct01
(Joe )
62M
32 posts
7/9/2007 4:37 am

Forgiveness is not for the forgiven, but
for the forgiver..... so as not to carry around
all that... "stuff"...(anger, resentment, hatred...etc)


Russell90028 65M
741 posts
7/9/2007 8:11 pm

    Quoting Jalo05:
    And before I throw an angry word, I just sighed and closed my eyes and smile, and say, "It's ok, just clean the mess......"

    And the reaction who did a mistake was relieved, and I easily get rid of my anger.

    Long time no comment from you Russss, thanks for dropping by
You finally give me a reason to respond


fedders
(ANDREWS M.S.)
66M
1196 posts
7/9/2007 8:52 pm

Never lose your patience ...my dear...it always helps!


Jalo05
(Lani Jaloux America)
54F

7/11/2007 7:01 am

    Quoting pqct01:
    Forgiveness is not for the forgiven, but
    for the forgiver..... so as not to carry around
    all that... "stuff"...(anger, resentment, hatred...etc)
I forgive and some I forget.

But those unforgettable and worth reminiscing and learning I never foget

Do you also get angry and easily forgive?

Simply J


Jalo05
(Lani Jaloux America)
54F

7/11/2007 7:02 am

    Quoting Russell90028:
    You finally give me a reason to respond
I am always waiting for you to post your comment here in my blog

And now you're talking

Simply J


Jalo05
(Lani Jaloux America)
54F

7/11/2007 7:04 am

    Quoting fedders:
    Never lose your patience ...my dear...it always helps!
Naku, kung alam mo lang. But I have long patience and I can wait forever until she masters everything and telling her time to time is not good. Baka magka stress no. manginig na lang sa harap ko paano na ang anak nya na dalawa

Diba?

Simply J


Jalo05
(Lani Jaloux America)
54F

7/12/2007 6:58 am

    Quoting  :

Thanks for additional quotes. You are very generous

I like the 2nd quote good for children and in workplace.

Keep sharing

Simply J


Jalo05
(Lani Jaloux America)
54F

7/15/2007 10:06 pm

    Quoting  :

Why? What is it that you can't forgive about yourself?

For me, if I don't forgive others, how will I forgive myself? Whe you know that you've hurt others or had caused him to be bad, do you think you like seeing the situation what kind of person he became?

If I forgive them, even in their slightest mistake, which I know I also commit, I will also feel good about myself. Thinking that there is no angry person or someone who want to take revenge of me.

I also make mistakes, not few but a lot. they get angry to me and it depends how am I going to take the anger. Either take it positive or negative. The same thing to people whom I let go of my anger. I know how they feel and they also feel sorry about it. Not to make the situation or issue worse, I have to put an end and made the person realize why and where and what should she do not to make the same mistake again.

hey, it's been a long time! How are you my friend?

Simply J


Jalo05
(Lani Jaloux America)
54F

7/17/2007 6:23 am

    Quoting  :

I believe in what you say.

We are the ones who can contrtol our emotions. And we must be also responsible for our reactions of what might it cause be it good or bad.

Thanks for your comments. Sharing your thoughts about it makes me realize a lot.

Simply J